Comments on: Quote This Project – Fishing Supply Company Pricing Results

By: What would you charge? - Irish SEO, Marketing & Webmaster Discussion

What would you charge? - Irish SEO, Marketing & Webmaster Discussion — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:30:36 +0000

[...] scenario and get people to give a price for what they would bid for the project. Great idea. http://buildinternet.com/2009/06/quote-this-project-fishing-supply-company-pricing-results/ I think I would have gone for the $1000 – $3000 bracket myself. __________________ Robert Fahy, [...]

By: Scorpiono

Scorpiono — Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:02:29 +0000

Zach, Austion has a point, how much would you quote the project?

By: coetsee

coetsee — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:16:41 +0000

coetsee said I am not sure how you could even support employees, salaries, office space, benefits, etc (even before taxes). You would have to be producing a tremendous amount of web work per week to grow even the smallest bit….which, given the saturation of “web design companies” undercutting everyone else and offshore firms charging close to slave labor wages these days…isn’t too likely.

onlineuniversalwork

By: Alex

Alex — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:16:49 +0000

@Rich – “I think that if a hobbyist screws the job up, which is very possible (and likely) since he/she can’t possibly be as talented or knowledgeable as a professional…”

Well hang on a minute! There are a lot of assumptions being made there. You’re assuming that a hobbyist is unskilled, because otherwise he would be a professional, well have you considered all those people who might actually do another day job, but still be an incredibly talented artist/designer/coder?

For example, a friend of mine is a ‘hobbyist’ painter, but their work is an awful lot better than a lot of ‘professionals’, winning a lot of prizes and competitions for their work. Let’s not forget that just because someone is a professional it means automatically they are good at what they do!

You also mention woothemes. This is an interesting point, and it is companies like them that are going to make it harder for the freelancer. While you get a bargain at $70, for a theme which looks incredible (on the most part) and that has a lot of features (maybe more than needed for the fisherman), it is after all the same theme that other people will be using. So we have to hope that a businessman sees the worth of looking unique, and therefore coming to a hobbyist/freelancer/agency. So in this case $1000 dollars isn’t that outrageous compared to the $70. I would add to that, that woothemes almost underprice themselves, because they know they are going to get hundreds of sales on each theme, and therefore the cheap price tag is multiplied, earning them a lot more for one design than we were talking about quoting here!

By: Michael Kozakewich

Michael Kozakewich — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:30:21 +0000

One thing I was forgetting in my consideration was the size of the company. When dealing with single people (especially because I, as a single person, am so darn frugal), I find it really hard to charge a few hundred dollars, let alone $1000. For a medium-sized company, though, $1000 isn’t all that much.
Another important point to remember is that people gain an expectation of the final product based on their perceptions of the cost. If something seems really expensive, they expect top-notch. If you can do top-notch, you had better charge more than the average Joes.
.-= Michael Kozakewich´s last blog ..Just Some Updates =-.

By: Jeevan

Jeevan — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:56:52 +0000

Only a professional will know when a website looks great. Pro will have better understanding of the design aspects and back end work that needs to be done compared to a hobbyist who might always try work out a great design but when it’s converted into an actual site, they’ll face problems.

just my 2 cents.
.-= Jeevan´s last blog ..FlicksWorld.com =-.

By: Rich Staats

Rich Staats — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:22:40 +0000

“Let’s face it, the hobbiest designer does our heads in and without having too much of a glum outlook, I wonder if this industry will ever be taken seriously enough for the SME and freelance designers to have a stable future in this game.”

Good point. I think that if a hobbyist screws the job up, which is very possible (and likely) since he/she can’t possibly be as talented or knowledgeable as a professional, the client would be pretty foolish to look for the cheapest bid in the future. Or maybe not, I don’t know.

@Utopie: 900 pounds is a little under 1500 US, which I have a feeling is what most people were quoting.
.-= Rich Staats´s last blog ..Spots Still Available for Wilderness Medicine Course =-.

By: rohnn

rohnn — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:18:24 +0000

@utopie
“people have absolutly no idea when a website looks bad or when it looks good”
Somehow, I agree, but I believe it is like wine tasting.
To ppl who don’t know, you can serve anything.
Still, when tasting a great wine they’ll instantly feel its quality.

By: Utopie - Website Design Liverpool

Utopie - Website Design Liverpool — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:58:36 +0000

Let’s face it, the hobbiest designer does our heads in and without having too much of a glum outlook, I wonder if this industry will ever be taken seriously enough for the SME and freelance designers to have a stable future in this game.

One of the problems is that a lot of people have absolutly no idea when a website looks bad or when it looks good, and that isn’t even considering the code behind everything that makes it tick!

AND, add onto the top of that companies like BT are now offering relitivly cheap websites with a turn around of a day or 2!!

I would charge a about £900 for that, not sure what that is in dollars.

By: rohnn

rohnn — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:58:24 +0000

Agreed with Steve-o.
Any serious & realistic one can’t charge $600 if one want’s his business to last; look :
2 designs, 3 revisions + 6 pages production time. At min, let’s say 3 days => $200 / day before taxes & costs !
No way one’s business can live on that if in EU or USA.

Still, this really depends where you business is based :
based in US or EU, you surely wont survive with that price… Based where I am based (Eastern Europe, non-EU), my business it not at risk but it wont be growing… In Pakistan (for instance) may be it is a interresting price…. Need to take that into account I believe

On another subject, stuff like “As a freelancer, … squeeze in the time … when not … at my day job.” is completely disconnected from reality. The dude can call himself how he wants, but freelancing is not about squeezing projects on your spare time.

I am a freelancer, yes, and that my friend, is a full time job !